SALFI-SUNNI Ist Difference in Aqeedah detail

AQEEDA DIFFERENCE between Sunni (Ashari-Maturidi) and Salafi School

As We came to know that there are two school of Aqeedah among present day sunni muslim 1.Ashari-Maturidi (Followed by Hanafi Shafai Malaki,Hanbali Fiqh school and subgroups like barelvi deobandi kerala AP,EK Sunnis etc)     2.  Slafi School.(Followed by Slalafis/Ahle Hadith/Kerala Mujahids etc)
(CLARIFICATION :Although we consider all muslims groups  other than Shia as Sunni but for the of understanding we have used the term Sunni for Ashari-Maturidi and Salafi for other.We did not like it but found no option to clear the matter if any one having better suggestion please inform us in comments.)

All sunni muslim groups (All other than Shia) come in either of the two categories.

Letus know the backgroung and situation for the developement of these school of Aqeedah.

FIRST DIFFERENCE b/w Ashari-Maturidi and Slafi Aqeeda school

 Difference in strategies for dealing with deviated thought of past like Muatazila and Jehmia, Halwia and Qadria etc.
Muatazeli :This school was developed between the 8th and 10th centuries(200-300Hijri).  Mu’tazili thought relies heavily on logic,and Greek philosophy. Between 200-300 hijri this Fitna became very serious because of patronage from King Mamoon and Muatasim. By the grace of Allah it has no longer any following,among present day muslim.There is no need to know further about as muatazelli,it was a fitna and knowledge about is not a kind of knowledge that Rasulullah sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam has asked to attain and it is of no use in Akhirah.Similarly Jehmia and Qadria were also deviated.Thanks to Allah as they are not surviving anymore.



1.In 2-3 hundred Hijri so many deviated and wrong Aqeeda thought came to islamic intellectual circle under the influence of greek philosphy.Muatazelis were most prominent among them as they got patronage from Abbasi Khaleefa Mammon and Moatasim

To counter the wrong Aqeeda and approach of Muatazeli ,and others deviated groups, Ahle sunnat Wal Jamaat side was initially led by Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal(R.A) and the final assult was led by Imam Abul Hasan Ali Ashari (R.A) (Born in 260 Hijri).Imam Abul Hasan Ashari actually has put the final nail in the coffin of Muatazilla.

Muslim Ummah between 200-300 Hijri
           The danger was very acute and eminent, with the help of Muslim king Mamoon and Muatasim the follower of greek philosophy in the name of Muatazila etc had became successful in influencing good number of intellectual class/philosopher/thinker of muslim Ummah. Our Intellectual started coming under the impression that Greek philosophy is superior and they started making yardstick of it to judge the principles of Quran and Ahadith.
 Gravity of the situation of muslim Intellectual as there were influenced by greek philosphy and terrified by the Rulers (Mamoon and Muatasim)

All the Muslim intellectuals were influenced and terrified.One can assess the gravity of the situation by this historical fact. Maulana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi describe in these words “ Famous Ulema were collected and talked and written statement and answer were taken ,Mamoon became very furious after seeing the answer,And ordered to kill two (Shaikh Baseer ibne waleed & Sheikh Ibrahim Ibnul Menhdi) of them.And ordered that all those who still have aqeeda other than Khalqe Quran should be brought infront of him.They were 30,But after this order only 4 remained stick to the correct Aqeeda. These four were Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal, Muhammad bin Nuh,.Sajjada and Qawariri. Because of fear second day Sajjada and 3rd day also backtracked. Now only two remained stick to the Aqeeda of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat These glorious two were 1.Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal, 2.Muhammad bin Nuh. These two were sent to Mamoon with HATHKADI in there hand” (Tareekh e Dawat O AzeematVol 1 page 95). 
A practical case of muslim glory and intellectual victory
I will advice every muslim to read the whole story and the hardship faced by Imam and final victory of Imam Ahmad (R.A.).
Imam Ahmad has himself narrated the whole story. (Tareekhul Islam Az Zahbi translation page 41-49).
A sufficient detail history of Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal and Imam Abul Hasan Ashari has been included in the book Tareekh e dawat o azeemat (Vol.1) by sheikh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi.(or Its translation in English is by name of “Saviors of Islamic Sprit”. Both books are freely available on internet as PDF).

You will cry with Joy by knowing the glorious moment of Islamic history. 
After Imam Hanbal death
After Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal death Muatazell again surfaced with some other issues and this time with much logical and philosphical preparation. 

Then Imam Abul Hasan Ashari led the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat to end this fitna finally.
To deal with the Fitna Imam Abul Hasan Ashari used a two  way approach.
First Part of his approach

1.    He Emphasised that muslim should know and believe the aqeeda as detailed in quran and Ahadith as explained by sahaba and great scholars and Imams of first few generation of muslim

2. No philosophical and interpretational approach (Taweel is commonly used word for this among scholar) will be applied to explain it.

2.  Second part of his approach
To counter the philosophical explanation and approach of misled group like Muatazila, al-Mujassamah etc the philosophical and interpretaional approach should be applied. Because each subject has its own words and language. By the help and bounty of Allah He proved through words ,language of Logic and philosophy  also that Quranic Ayats and Ahadith explaining Aqeeda are correct in their meaning. 
He established the supremacy of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat over all other groups who were claiming themselves as Ratioal,logical and philosophical.
         By the help of Allah He not only deafted and chased away the groups of Deviated Aqeeda ,He also saved Ummat from a big catastroph.

Abul Hasan Ashari was not an advocator of interpretational approach.He brought these philosophical and logical approach to deal with the specific situation.(Out of necessity).
 You can understand it by this incidence
“One of his student Abu Abdullah bin Khafeef asked Imam Abul Hasan Ashari that I could not understand one point why you remain silent initially and give time to Muatazelli.You are of such capability that you can start the debate and then you can defeat them.Imam Ashari replied “I donot like to utter these sentences and points by my own tongue but once it is utterd by anyone then to counter it and to prove it as wrong becomes duty of people with right path” (Tabeen e kizbul muftari page 95,Tareekhe dawat o Azeemat Vol.1 page 107).

With this it is clear that he used these Interpretational approach to deal with the misled group only.
He himself written his position on Aqeeda in his book in these words

“My Aqeeda on which I am is to hold Quran Majeed And Sunnat Rasool with firm Hand and to accept and comply from scholars and Hadeeth only,I am firm on this Maslak, and I am adherent and follower of Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal (May Allah increase his level in Akhrat and give him the best reward).Whosoever is away from his Maslak I am away from him. Because he was such a Great Scholer and complete leader  and Allah clarified the right through him and weaned the wrong on his hand.Allah glorified the Sirate Mustaqeem and downed the Ahle Bidat ,and the spoiler,and those who create confusion on the hand of Imam Ahmad Ibne Hanbal.May Allah bless his mercy on the great Imam”
Imam Abul Hasan Ashari thought 
           1.He was of the view that source of Aqeeda is only Quran and Sunnat and explanation of Salfussalihin.
         2. But as under the influence of Greek philosophy issue is already burning and as philosophy is based on some hypothetical man made terms that is obviously not in quran and hadeeth, to remain silent at this juncture only because that these term are not in quran and hadith is a grave mistake.
        3.This silence will undermine the superiority of Quran and Sunnat and to intellectual class (muslims & Nonmuslims) it will be considered as weakness. (Nauzubillah).
       4. Already muslim youth mind and a good number of intellectual and kings were under influence and supremacy of the greek philosophy.
         5. So to counter them and to support the Aqeeda of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat ther is no harm in using logic and philosophical approach/hypothetical philosophical words prevailing at that time. He considered it not only necessary rather Jihad of that time.
          6. He was of the view that sahaba did not used these words because they did not faced the situation.
       7. In making Ta'weel,(Interpretational approach) he did not intend to oppose the Salaf, but to oppose the misled groups. He has stated if he was in the era of the Salaf, he would not have made any Ta'weel.

    1.    He became successful in stopping the flood of Muatazellah, and leashed a fresh blood in muslim Ummah and gave  confidence to Ahle Sunnat to counter any further intellectual assault on the Aqeeda of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat.  

2. And he finished the job he undertook for saving ummat Aqeedah  in the best possible manner.

3.Apart from verbal argument with Muatazellah he has written so many books also to neate the Aqeeda of naturist,atheist and other non believers. Some people has counted number of his books as 300 hundred.(Ref Tabeene kizbul Muftari).

Thats why he is regarded as Imam Of Ahle Sunnat.He has been described by Shah waliullah (R.A) as the Mujaddid of 3RD Century Hijri.He died in 324 Hijri and on his death it was announced that today Nasir e Sunnat has died.(From Saviors of Islamic sprit in short and after editing)
 May Allah give him best reward.

1. Salafi Scholars do not agree with the second part of his approach that was used to fight with deviated thoughts. 

 2.It is the difference that has been blown out of proportion and sometimes some salafi books/audio talk mention Ashari-Maturidi as deviated and take their name along with Muatazellah,claimiong that they are like them in using philosphical approach. (MAZ ALLAH)

3. Only Allah Knows that weather Abul hasan Ashari was right in his aproach or not ,But one thing is very clear that Allah Pak selected Abul Hasan Ashari  for becoming a mean for the elimination of deviated group Muatazella forever and for the establishing the supermacy of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat.

1.I have not read any book/talk from any big Salafi Alim negating/ countering Imam Abul Hasan Ashari (R.A) approach for dealing the deviation.(I am telling  my knowledge only).

Imam Ibne Taimiyyah R.A (Salafi brother takes his name but he is not with them on the issue) denounced all deviated thought but never took name of Ashari-Maturidi as deviated. In Aqeedatut Wasitiyah he writes detailing about the deviated groups ...............................

He writes (Aqeedatut Wasitiyah page no 15-16)

The Saved Group (al-firqah an-najiyah), The people of the Sunnah and the Community believe these things, as they believe what Allah revealed in His Precious Book (i.e., the Qur'an);

(They believe) without distorting or denying and without asking how (takyif) or shaping (tamthil); Rather, they comprise the center of the groups of the Ummah (the Muslim nation), as the Ummah comprises the center of all nations.

With regard to the Attributes of Allah, The Glorified, The Exalted, they comprise the center between the denying Jahmiyah and the people who shape and create likenesses (ahl at-tamthil al-mushabbihah);

And they comprise the center between the Qadariyah and the Jabriyahwith regard to [the acts of Allah the Exalted], and

between the Murji'ah and the Wa'idiyah of the Qadariyah and others without regard to [Allah's threat], and

between the Haruriyah and the Mu'tazilah and

between the Murji'ah and the Jahmiyah with regard to [the names of faith and religion],

and between the Rawafid and the Khawarij with regard to the (Prophet's Companions).

2. But the writing/talk of some of low level salafis  demonise the Asharis. Some also put him in the category of muatazella  accusing him of interpretational approach (Taweel). (MAAZ ALLAH)

But all these are low level scholars /alims.(May Allah pardone them. If they are doing out of ignorance may Allah give them knowledge. If they are doing for out of groupism may Allah give them hidayat and taufeeq to write with Ikhlas and to be fearful about Akhirah. (ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST) 
TO Know the differences between Salafi and Ashari schools click here.